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MarkusE
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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2006 - 01:18 PM UTC
Hello Friends,

As the new Host/Moderator of the Discussion Group “Sculpting”, first I want to welcome you.

It`s a great honour for me to host/moderate this DG and so I call it my “little Baby”.

But take care: Sculpting is a virus and when you have started, it could be that you will be infected with this virus….just don`t give up and he will get you…

And now let me tell you what my intentions are:

Since I started sculpting I learned one thing: in sculpting, there are no “wrong” or “right” ways to work. Some sculptors prefer the way to scarf out the most things, others prefer the way in sculpting wet. I think there is only one way: test some different ways and find out wich way is the most comfortable for you.

In this forum we will try to show some different ways in sculpting….I will show some of my ways, but I also count on all the other sculptors at this forum (beginners, intermediates and advanced) to show their own ways, too. Only the exchange between us all makes it possible to learn something new and gives us the chance to develope ourselfs - every day a little bit more. Please don`t be to shy to ask, or to show your first steps in sculpting. Let us take part – I think we all can only learn.

Now let us talk about what I mean about sculpting:
In my opinion, sculpting means all the parts of creating something new….just to refine some parts of a figure, converting a figure and finally to scratch a complete figure or scenery… so, I also mean to sculpt some special things for your bases, like rocks, trees, crosses, or what ever…all this is sculpting….in my opinion.

So let us hear, what you need to see, what you want to know and what you would like to share - and then, let us enjoy the process of development !!!!!

Happy sculpting,
Markus

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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2006 - 03:06 PM UTC
my dear friend,
Congratulations and good luck wishes for the new position. As a great addition to HFM staff, I am sure you will do Sculpting DG one of the best and I am also sure many of us will start their first sculptings with your help.
c ya in forums
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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2006 - 03:46 PM UTC
Dear Friend Markus Hi and congratsulations

I am really happy for your hosting here and for all the efforts you will put in making HFM best !!!

One reason that i like the fact of having you here is cause i see that you try different things and youre not afraid to experiment . Thats one thing i do inmy painting ,but i havent tried yet in sculpting . Then i will be definately oneof the first students in here !!!!

What id like to see !!!


1. Easy Theory on proportions and body measurements . Clear examples

2. SBS on sculpting a simple figure but with all stages, and particular explanation in every different stage and point of the figure .

3. A 3 month online Workshop for first time sculptors on a common theme we can pick from a drawing or anything else and try to make it in life.

We can participate and show our work, the more experienced to provide help and corrections and at the end a total presentation of all guys efforts.

4. Small tips and tricks on easy sculpting acessories and things that you can use in a vigniette or setup, despite the fact that you may not be able to sculpt a total figure .


many more will come in mind, but these are the ones i have on the tip of my tongue.

Have the best succeess my friend

Costas
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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2006 - 05:29 PM UTC
Hello Markus:

So glad that you're going to be the "chair" of this sculpting DG. I read your
post and also what Costas wrote, below that. I think both of you covered
most of the things I would like to learn about sculpting. Now I don't know
if I'd ever develop enough courage to sculpt a figure as depicting
proportions of the human figure are so difficult for me, but I am very
curious to learn all I can; I might be able to sculpt a tree trunk or tree
stump for use on a base.

One of my questions have been when do sculptors work with wet
sculpting putty and when do they let it harden and "carve" the figure. Your
first opening text indicated that some do only wet sculpting and some do
only carving into hard putty. A lot of details about this kind of thing would
be most interesting and helpful to me. My final point on my "wish list" is
to see close up photos of the tools that the various sculptors use and
an explanation of how they use each tool.

My final point: As you know Markus to be a fine sculptor doesn't
necessarily mean that individual will be a fine journalist. To write clearly
so that all understand is not an easy thing to do, so I know you've got
a big job here, and I commend you for being willing to do it. . . gratis.

My regards to you,

Rick
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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2006 - 05:50 PM UTC
Hi Markus,

Once again, welcome to the team.

Apart from I've already discuused with you at length via email, from a purely personal point of view, I would be interested in the following:

1. Modifying the grip and hands of figures
2. "Softening" poses... i.e making them appear more natural than the very rigid poses we oh so often see in - particularly in 1/35 plastic figures
3. Sculpting hair, moustaches, beards, chest hair :-)
4. Very basic resin casting of parts - including things like how to avoid air bubbles when casting heads...

My 0.02ZAR

Rudi
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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2006 - 07:48 PM UTC
Hello Friends,

first let me thank you for your replies and your "wish-list" about sculpting. I will do my best to give you a helping hand - as I told it: "No more secrets".

@Engin: My friend, thank you for your kind works. It will be very nice to see some of the first steps in sculpting, of HFM memebers. Perhaps sometimes I will see your first steps, too.

@Costas: My friend, I thank you very much for your ideas, wishes and thoughts. And you are right, I´m experimenting alot, but sometimes I really don`t know it... :-)
There are so much "Happy Accidenst" that are sent for the development - you will see it when you give sculpting a try and that is very funny.

I marked your ideas and suggestions. I will fix it in a list and then I will see what is the best way to learn sculpting step by step. I think the key is to try not sculpting a compplete scratch as the first step. First some smaller things and we come closer with the materials we use. And then a little bit more and more...

@Rick: Thank you so much for your input and your thoughts. I think what you said is exactly what I mean. I think the best way in learning sculpting is to go in short steps. We all need some time to learn wich is our best way. And believe me, if you have sculpted your first tree, or rock, it will be a very nice feeling. Then we can do some conversions. If you have done some conversions I´m sure your will want more...that is the virus...

Rick, I will try to show you all what I can and all what I use for sculpting. And if there is anything not clear enough, or I forget to show how I handle the instrument, please let me know. The problem is, that we aren`t able to sit all togehter and so you can`t have a look on my hands. But I think we will find the right way.

@Rudi: Again, thank you very much for your warm welcome at the team. It´s nice to be a part of it. Thank you also for your wishes and thoughts. We can do all this things and I think we will start with some easier things.

Here is my proposal for the start:

1.) Sculpting a rock, a tree, a stonecross, or a wallsection. Just tell me what you want to see for the first step. Here we can train us in using the puttys and the tools we will use.

2.) Refine some details of a figure, like hands, hair, mustaches and so on.

3.) Converting a figure. Before we do this, we will discuss, what we want to see and what figure should be converted.

4.) A 3 month sculpting workshop for beginners. We will scratch a figure, but who want can use parts of other figures, like heads and so on. First we will dicuss what figure we want to sculpt. We will start with the therorie about proportions, physiognomy and so on.

So, this is just my proporsal and until today nothing is fixed. So feel free to let us know what you think about it and perhaps there are some more ideas.

Happy sculpting,
Markus

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Posted: Monday, July 03, 2006 - 11:09 PM UTC
Dear Markus the order you have putted things down , i think it will work pretty fine .

We wilkl starty from the smallest and easier and procced to the more complicated and elaborate .

Set the starting line and we will follow !!!!!
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Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 01:10 AM UTC
Congrat`s Markus,
One thing i would like to see is the sculpting of weapons,although i am getting to grips with the figure sculpting i am still using commercial weapons to compliment my finished work.
Another interesting thing would be creating different facial expressions to add realism to the scene being depicted,i tend to find my faces tend to be somewhat cloned.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 03:53 AM UTC
Morning folks,....
Markus good stuff mate, the folk of the" A "im sure will be become hooked on doing their own thing..good luck to them.....
Markus leave time for your sculpting habit mate,...if my one finger computer skills can support your cause in any small way, Im here..

your a brave man my son..Phil...
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Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 04:11 AM UTC
Hi Markus,
Very nice of your part to learn us the sculpting way !
Apparently, you will have a lot of work :-) :-)
Personnaly, I really like to have a common and easy method to modify market figures, for example...Dragon ones. Like how to resculpt legs from wire and then putty, changing face, adding pockets, straps, make a realistic overcoat in the wind etc.. please bear in mind some of us are begginers. I think what will be hard for you (sorry to say that, I do not want to discourage you), is to blend beginners tips and ones for experienced modellers.
I think also that it's good to take the same figure to compare with you, but different type of sculpting on different figures could be interesting (one with an overcoat, one with a big beard, one in action, one with naked torso etc..)
Techinal tips on the material used (different sort of putty, sculpting pencils etc..) will be very helpful for us. Imagination will do the rest.
Thank you very much again for your effort.
You will be proud of your students..
Best,
Julien
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Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 09:57 AM UTC
Markus like Phil I am always willing to add to your already good knowledge - Just PM me with any request my friend and I should give you an answer within a day ( with Pictures if you Like) I was blessed with a master beside when I first really started so want to help others take a few steps towards what I now enjoy.
Here to Serve
Ian
Ps I love doing beards, chest hairs , fat little bodies and of course little beardy eyes and wet noses :-) :-) :-) :-)
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Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 10:34 AM UTC

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Sculpting a rock



Excellent to know that we'll be starting at my level of sculpting!!! :-) :-) :-)

Naaah, seriously, Markus, it looks like a good start. I'll drop you an email regarding the "logistics" of the whole thing within the next day or so.

Rudi
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Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 02:41 PM UTC
Hello Friends,

again, thank you all very much, for your answers, wishes and thoughts.

@Costas: That will be the way we go...

@Steve: Weapons are an intersting part of sculpting. And the right expression of a face gives a figure the real touch of life. We will do this when we scratch a figure...or we make an own topic about this. We will see...

@Phil: I´m really glad you will help us to come to a good result !!! It`s pretty good to have you on the side - I really appreciate it !!!

@Julien: We will start with the easier things in sculpting and then we will go on step by step. When we have more training in sculpting things will go easier when we start the higher levels.

@Ian: Good to have you as a helping hand !!! I really appreciate your offer and I will come back on you....for all hairy things, wet noses and perhaps other things !!!!

@Rudi: I´m looking forward to see your first steps in sculpting !!!!

Happy sculpting,
Markus

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Posted: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 05:34 PM UTC
Markus,
Your approach to your "little baby" with all the great input from the group is exciting.
I have a 1/20th Tamiya race car figure that I started the conversion to an American Indian over a year ago. Got as far as the scuplting the new details with sculpting compound and have had cold feet to proceed. With so much talented input here I'm anxious to get going again. The one great mystery for me after seeing all the great pieces displayed here is the final "smoothing" of all the details and surfaces.
I'm really looking forward to this DG.
Thanks again,
Gary
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Posted: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 02:57 AM UTC
Gary,

thank you very much for your reply. I´m glad this DG awakes your interests in sculpting again. That is a very fine signal for me !!!

I hope you will start the work at your "Racer" again and I´m looking forward to see some pics of this little man.

About the smoothing...I think we will hear, or see, some helpful methodes about doing this in a good way.

Happy sculpting,
Markus

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Posted: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 09:38 AM UTC
Congratulations my Friend. They could not have chosen a better man to handle the job! I look forward to particapting in your plans for the forum.

John Neill
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Posted: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 02:23 PM UTC
Thank you very much for your kind words John. I´m looking forward to our common work and also to see your tips and tricks.

Happy sculpting,
Markus

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Posted: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 06:07 PM UTC
I am still getting use to all the site changes...

It was good that I finally found this thread. I'm looking forward to learning, I am by no means a sculptor. If anything I am a convertor! To chicken to do heads! LOL's... I have indeed read many articles on sculpting and the like, trying to pick up any tips or tricks. I personally would like to see a format of a verbal description with lots of photo's explaining a technique. I have found that sculpting is one of those things that you must develop your own style, and adapt to your own techniques. Everybody seems to have their own tricks that work for them. I enjoy sculpting, and have been bitten by the bug! Markus, I am really looking forward to seeing this area evolve! I wish you the best of luck!

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Posted: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 06:49 PM UTC
Just to throw an idea in the air : why don't you record on your camcorder some short extracts of the most important moves or steps during the sculpting ?
It may illustrates what you wrote.

My 0,0002 cents thoughts

Julien
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Posted: Thursday, July 06, 2006 - 01:23 AM UTC
@Paul: Thank you very much for your reply. What you wrote about sculpting is absolutly correct. All we can do is to show some ways of sculpting, but then everybody has to test it for himself and then find out, if this way works for him. But I think to see some ways is very helpful....when I started sculpting I had no possibilities to learn from another sculptor. Believe me, that was a hard time. All I know about sculpting was tested by try and error...
I think it is very good to have you as a converter on board and I think you also can help us. Another memeber who is able to show his ways !!!
Again: Thanks for your reply !!!

@Julien: Yes, it would be a very good idea to film what I do, but there are some problems about it.
First: I have no camcorder...
Second: I think films need very much space and mine is limited.
But I hope pictures and my words will work, too.

Happy sculpting,
Markus


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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 02:57 AM UTC
Hello Markus
With you as our host, I'm sure this DG will be both informative and friendly

I wish someone can show how to mimic/express different feels in fabrics such as
thin herring bone denim, thick wool, leather (both old and new), etc.

Taesung
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Posted: Saturday, December 16, 2006 - 05:33 AM UTC

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Hello Markus
With you as our host, I'm sure this DG will be both informative and friendly



Hello Taesung,

thank you so much for your kind words !!! I do my best....but I don`t know, if this is enough...


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I wish someone can show how to mimic/express different feels in fabrics such as thin herring bone denim, thick wool, leather (both old and new), etc.



Wow, that are very interesting wishes...

I have never seen leathers sculpted better than by you....perhaps you have the time to show us a SBS about your technics? That would be so great !!!!!

Best wishes,
Markus

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Posted: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 04:39 PM UTC
I am in awe of you sculptor dudes!
This is somethin' I would really like to try my hand at. I've always been of the persuasion that havin' the right tools and methods for any job, is half the battle won. Well, the short half of the battle anyway!

So I guess a list of all the tools needed for the job would be a great start, for me.
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Posted: Thursday, April 19, 2007 - 09:41 PM UTC

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This is somethin' I would really like to try my hand at. I've always been of the persuasion that havin' the right tools and methods for any job, is half the battle won. Well, the short half of the battle anyway!

So I guess a list of all the tools needed for the job would be a great start, for me.



Hey Paul,

The best way to get into sculpting is to jump right in.

Amazingly you don't really need many tools to get started. Check out Markus' "Sculpting a Woodlands Scene" feature for his regular tools or my "Sculpting a Knight" thread in the forums.

Generally though we will try to specify the tools required at the beginning of each feature

HTH

Rudi
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Posted: Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 12:00 AM UTC
Hello colleagues and friends Historicus Forma!
Hot greetings for you from Russia - a balalaika, bears and Putin!;-).
The first - I want to congratulate friend Marcus!
And certainly let to show for you some figures and jobs of your colleagues from site ModelSculpt!?
http://www.modelsculpt.org/
I hope and гоаорю we do not say goodbye, yours faithfully!